Lets talk about Obi-Wan's Mind-Blowing

Lets talk about Obi-Wan's Mind-Blowing ...

So, Obi-Wan. If nothing else, you cant deny that the show was a TV show, and that after six episodes, it has now ended its run on Disney+, at least for now. However, Kotakus'' biggest Star Wars nerdsEthan Gach, Ari Notis, and, no surprise here for longtime readers, Zack Zwiezenhad to discuss the finale, the shows'' highest and lowest points, and the broader impact its events have on ''the canon

Ethan Gach will begin by saying that I didn''t think the first half of Obi-Wan was significantly higher than previously thought, and that the second half was much worse by people. And by myself, I mean like, random headlines in my newsfeed.

Zack Zwiezen: I enjoyed the first half and was shocked by people being so stressed.

Ari Notis: The first half of Obi-Wan does at least feature history''s most fun chase scene, according to the fact.

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Zack: I didn''t mind that at all because they had her. They knew she was screwed. So why should you try to get a kid that you know is surrounded by. Personally, I respect those henchmen. I''m also lazy.

Ari: Oh, yeah, let me be clear: I say as praise! Star Wars at its best is always a bit bit silly, which is something that has been ignored from the most recent films and series.

Ethan: We should probably start with the finale. I''ll be honest, I was looking at my phone the exact moment Obi-Wan sprang out of the rock pit. How did that happen?

Zack: He used the Force! As his connection to it grew.

Ari: You might say, he...forged his way out.

Ethan: The book''s oldest trick. Gamers rise.

Zack: I liked the first half of the show. However, the second half and the finale were my favorite. It was so sad that the fight with Vader at the end was dismal.

Ethan: The apologist from Star Wars has entered the conversation.

Ari: Ethan, sorry to hear from two Star Wars apologists. That fight was incredible, and then, yes, extremely distressing.

Zack: The moment he sees his face, realizes his brother is dead, and shows him mercy, the same mercy Anakin mocked in the training flashback...Damn. (It also reminded me a lot of the Ahsoka/Vader duel in Rebels! It''s like poetry, they rhyme!)

Ethan: I think this series performed the only thing it needed to, which was to make the Obi-Wan/Anakin arc more believable, and they did it with two very simple scenes.

Ari: How do you make it believable by, like, bridging the gap between the end of the prequels and the beginning of the original trilogy?

Ethan: Or by repurposing Hayden Christensen back in the first place after he had a lot to do better things in his head.

Zack: It explains why Obi-Wan is so keen for Luke to kill Vader in Empire/Jedi, too. He has truly given up on him. That moment, when Vader smirks and claims he killed Anakin. And the red tint takes over. Thats it. Obi-Wan is done with him. He makes him Darth, so he makes a nice comeback to A New Hope.

Ari: Okay, but Darth is not a title!

Zack: Yeah, but Lucas knew when they saw A New Hope, that Darth would become a title, which is why Obi-Wan says Darth in that moment. I also want to point out that Reva is exceptional in this show, and im glad to see more of her, maybe in Fallen Order 2.

Ethan: I''ll say that I dont believe the series gets any of its reversals, including Revas'' nonsensical two-episode motivational rollercoaster ride, or Obi-Wan not killing Vader a second time, after his second-biggest failure was not killing him the first time.

Obi-Wan gives Zack the requisite shady skills to come back to being a Jedi at the time.

Ari: I had absolutely no sense for Obi-Wan refusing to kill Vader for the second time. Especially since the exact reason he stole the escape ship and headed to the planet was implicitly an ego-driven mission to kill Vader!

Zack: Yeah! But then he realizes what his friend was giving into the dark side and stops, just like Reva.

Ethan: Darth Maul? General Grievous? Mercy has never been a Jedi thing except when it tries to make more spin-offs.

Zack: In both instances, the other person was attempting to kill them. Here, Vader was down and done.

Ethan: Neighbor the younglings, Zack.

Zack: lol

Ethan: I think the correct interpretation of the previous prequels was that he left Vader to die. So I dont buy this mercy shit. I think the writers just knew Vader couldnt die because of ''THE TIMELINE,'' and no one at Disney has the cojones to do what Final Fantasy is doing.

Zack: Oh, he left Vader to die. And then spent a decade in terrorizing him. And now in the run-up to it.

Ari: After discovering Vader is still alive, you can see the shock on Ewan McGregors earlier in the show.

Zack: After showing mercy, he finds peace in this program.

Ethan: I think it''s clear from the show that his baggage was never about leaving him to die. It was about training a baby-killer, as demonstrated by the many flashbacks to Anakin''s killing babies, and the fact that the writers made one who survived a major character.

Zack: I believe he had some baggage about killing his brother and friend!

Omg, the twist! Ill confess I didn''t see anything coming for Reva.

Zack: The moment she explains how she lived, the timing of that...fuck. That''s not Lucasfilms fault, of course.

Ari: And it played a lot into Vader''s mythos, toohow he knew the whole time, and was just toying with her for, for instance, for five years?

Vader loves to be extra dramatic. It''s something the comics have really amped up, and I enjoy it.

Ethan: Although she was not getting a single first-person show, she was deeply depressed. For the record, I hate children as they can''t act.

Zack: It was odd that they never gave her an episode! But now she can see her own show or movie or comic.

Yeah, Ari, she absolutely deserved her own performance.

Zack: I think Leias'' actor was pretty talented. Her films with Obi-Wan memorizing Padme were among the most popular.

Ari: What are you guys doing for the whole, but there is no way she is a believable 10-year-old narrative?

Zack: People must go outside.

Ethan: The internet is defying.

Hahahah. Ari: Hahahahah.

Zack: Ive met people who acted like her. Kids can be smart. They can be courageous. They may be dumb at any age.

Ari: Correct! Which is why it was unusual for the authors to get rid of that line from Obi-Wan no less, about how she behaves like a child.

Zack: I think it''s more that she''s fast growing.

Ethan: Affecting the show to be real.

Well, yeah, and that''s good. This is Star Wars.

Ethan: Untold all Obi-Wan is suddenly out-flying Vader. Is it now when I show you guys my three-chart analysis of his relative Jedi strength?

Zack: As Han Solo said, Ethan says the Force''s performance isn''t the same, but he says.

Ethan: For adolescent youngster who wants to fix Obi-Wans'' traumapure-hearted wunderkid is taught that he doesn''t have to fix the past to live in the present.

So...Star Wars? Zack: So...

Ari: For a series that is so ill-equipped to die before, it''s really devoted to living in the past.

Zack: Yes, I let it slide for this show because I love Obi-Wan, but if we return to Tatooine again, I will scream.

Ethan: What are the conspiracy theories about Obi-Wan being a clone or from a different perspective?

Zack: People thought that Obi-Wan was a clone warrior from the Clone Wars back in the early days, but the prequels were later completed: OB-1.

Ari: Oh, I get it! Obi-One!

Ethan: I think there was an opening for them to tighten the timeline, and that at some point they will need to refinancing more stuff in greater ways, which is fine because people are just here for the light sabers and the bad sound effects.

Zack: I want them to go forward with Star Wars or go back to High Republic.

Ethan: What you can conjure with a one-and-a-half-disturbing line and not 100 books, movies, and TV shows of backstory. Can we talk about Dude Wheres My Speeder Qui-Gon?

Zack: Hey, Ive wanted a Force ghost Qui-Gon in live-action for a long time. Dude was the first Jedi to figure it out.

Zack: "Ethan: Big same," says Qui-Gon, who is the coolest onscreen Jedi (makes sense because he is, like, the last of a dying breed), and yet his surprise cameo felt like all of the homeroom footage of an extended school project was being glued together.

Zack: Yes, I expected more!

Ari: Qui-Gon has invented the Force ghost?

Zack: It''s a lot, but yes, I cannot let all of that into this box.

Ari, where were you going to Ari?

Ari: I have never been outside! So I''ll settle for the three-sentence rundown.

Qui-Gon was extremely connected to the living force, and he was able to live beyond his mortal life. In the Clone Wars show, taught Yoda the same. And presumably taught Obi-Wan.

Ari: Okay, I''m refining the scenes where Obi-Wans are trying to talk to him...they make much more sense right now.

Zack: Oh, yeah. Part of the reason Obi-Wan cant see him or talk to him at first is that, to do that, you must be at peace with yourself. And, uh...he had some loathes to deal with.

Ari: Why is it just a sacrifice?

Ethan: I''d like to let Hitler go, so I can finally see my mentor in the desert.

Ari: There must be a defense that Obi-Wan is now partially responsible for the destruction of Alderaan.

Zack: Yes, Tarkin and Krennic are tied to the Obi-Wan we see in New Hope. Dude just allows Vader to win because that''s all he wants. I''ll become more powerful stuff. Personally, and I know Ewan has said that this is something we need. I believe this is only the case. The comics select up after this and reveal some smaller stories, but that doesn''t need to be a show.

Ethan: It''s interesting to think that this show wanted to have two purposes: the Jedi being space officers and spiritual stoics; Obi-Wan prioritized his own salvation rather than his peers.

Zack: Yes, this is something that the movies do not deal with fairly well, but shows and comics have developed the idea of these space monks also being space cops, and how, over time, that ends up being the thing that they do in, that they become too obsessed with rules and protecting the galaxy and fighting in wars, and lose their way and connection to the Force.

Ethan: Where would you both rank the finale in terms of the six-part series, and if you were taken altogether, where would you rank it among the rest of the series and films?

Ari: I''m still having trouble getting married, but I''ll say: This might have been a movie. Maybe it''s just a coincidence.

Hmmmm...Ive been thinking about that. I think the finale was my favorite episode. I think altogether, it''s my favorite live-action Star Wars thing since Last Jedi. It might have been a movie! But Lucasfilm is right now.

Ethan: Obviously Id rank it above Boba Fett but below Mando. And somewhere in the bottom third of movies and series overall. I can see that Disney is just throwing money at its homes to infiltrate Disney+ with content, but the nerd in me would prefer a high-resolution High Republic series at a point where its mostly people talk in front of sci-fi backdrops.

Zack: We are getting the Acolyte, which will likely be a High Republic demonstration! Depending on the reason, it will be the Acolyte, according to the latest figures.

Ari: It''s evident that Disney is attempting to paint every tiny gap in this five-decade history, despite the canon spanning thousands of years of one galaxy. Did the Reva''s finale work for you two, or do you, like me, think her character probably should have just left (still alive, but with a cliffhanger) at the conclusion of episode five?

Zack: I wasn''t sure about it until the moment when she sees herself as Luke and realizes she is becoming a monster, like Vader. I had an eye on her once more, but I was grateful to have her back for the finale. And I hope she doesn''t want to be in trouble.

Ari: With the announcement of Fallen Order 2 coming to an end around the same time in the timeline, and the prevalence of Inquisitors in the first game, that seems probable. I guess I could just explain the logic of her going to Tattooine to murder Luke? Like what was the point of that, rather than an excuse to get her and Obi-Wan back on screen.

Zack: She just wanted to hurt Obi-Wan a bit. She couldn''t kill Vader and was desperate for revenge.

Ethan: I read it as she was able to kill a Vaders kid.

Is it established that she knows Lukes his kid? Ari: Is it true that she knows Lukes his kid?

Zack: Is it true that the Vaders kid was?

Ethan: Dont head-canon shamble me.

Zack: Lol. I liked how Luke never sees her lightsaber, but he can still be surprised to see Obi-Wans. It reminded me of how Anakin and General Grievous never met in the Clone Wars, so his mind about the general looking short works in Revenge of the Sith.

Ethan: It''s wild that they spend so much time worrying about the bizarre continuity stuff (and only half the time) and not, like, making good TV.

Zack: Ethan, it was good TV?! And I''m also a fan of them doing silly things to protect ''the canon.''

Ari: Honestly, you can shoot the canon with a Death Star cannon.

Ethan: I think that the authors had spent all of their time and delivered on little less than you would get from a bioWare Old Republic cinematic trailer. Heres to Jedi Fallen Order 2 (sorry, never gonna call it Survivor) being better than every new Star Wars item since Disney Plus was launched.

Zack: Hey, Bad Batch was fantastic!

Ari: Let''s get a Jedi Standing-Back-Up-Again Order.

So, who is so excited about Andor? Zack:

[Everyone abandons Zack to his own personal fantasy realm in which even the prequels are considered good.]